1 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:12,960 Hi, Dad. 2 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Sorry. Am I a bit late? - Hi. 3 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,480 So? 4 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,120 I made something different from the usual sandwiches. 5 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,800 Uh... gnocchi. 6 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,519 But you've always hated cooking. 7 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,840 I... tried to remember how Mom used to make them. 8 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,120 - They're excellent. - Yeah? 9 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,280 I swear, they're delicious. 10 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,720 If it's all right with you, I'd rather speak Italian. 11 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,600 As you wish. This is your space. 12 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,320 Um, okay. 13 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,840 I really don't know where to start. 14 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,199 Some people start by talking... about the violent side, 15 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,839 while others... begin with distant memories, 16 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,879 but the important thing here 17 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,000 is that you decide where to begin. 18 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,920 As I think you already know, I remember very little about the incident. 19 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,760 Sometimes I get flashes of certain episodes... 20 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,920 ...memories that came back later, little by little... and... 21 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,039 ...in the days after it happened, 22 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,120 I didn't know what had happened to my sister... nothing. 23 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,120 I went into the trial as if I were there by mistake. 24 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,360 "I killed my sister? What are you talking about?" 25 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,600 I had the feeling they were talking about someone else, not me. 26 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,400 And when did some memories come back? 27 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,160 I spent the first years in prison in a psychiatric hospital. 28 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,159 There, with a good psychologist, 29 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,400 I started to remember a few things... 30 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,120 ...but my memories were confused. 31 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,279 I didn't know whether they were my memories or memories of something 32 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,080 I'd heard during the trial. 33 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,840 Then... the psychologist took me to my sister's grave and... 34 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,240 ...and there, for the first time, I saw the image of the fire. 35 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,200 Of my sister burning. 36 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Listen, I understand how you feel. 37 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,440 I don't want to influence you, but perhaps you could start with... 38 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,280 ...a memory that often comes back to you. 39 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,279 A situation you experienced, even long ago, 40 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,479 but which, in light of the story 41 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,639 you've built over these years, has become more significant 42 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,920 in relation to what happened. 43 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,240 Um... 44 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,799 Do you mind if I stand up? 45 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,679 Yes, of course. As I told you, this is your space. 46 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,960 - You don't have to ask my permission. Mm. 47 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,920 My mother didn't want me... 48 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,720 ...she told me that often, very clearly. 49 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,239 "I did everything I could to lose you, I ran up and down the stairs," 50 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,720 "I lifted huge weights, but nothing worked. You wanted to be born." 51 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,560 When did she say that to you? 52 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,439 Um... 53 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,640 The first time I heard her say it, she was saying it to her friends... 54 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,640 ...who were having coffee at our house. 55 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,639 She was afraid I would be born with a deformity, 56 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,760 because of her age. 57 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,960 When I was born, my mother was 45 years old and... 58 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,640 ...and I always remember her as sad and in a bad mood. 59 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,880 I think she fell into depression after I was born, without knowing it. 60 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,280 That's why I used to say everything was fine. 61 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,840 But there were many things left unsaid... 62 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,000 ...and that was true both at home and outside. 63 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,639 It's a strange little town... everyone knows everyone, 64 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,080 everyone knows everything about everyone else... 65 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,680 ...and appearances matter a lot. 66 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,480 Everything has to look spotless, clean, reassuring... 67 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,040 ...everything has to be perfect. 68 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,240 And was that true for you too? 69 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,320 In a way, yes. 70 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:01,160 You wanted... to do everything you could to make people like you? 71 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,720 Yes, unfortunately. 72 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:09,600 And today? 73 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,560 This need to make people like you... do you still feel it? 74 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,600 I don't know, it's hard to say. 75 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:21,560 And... 76 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:23,360 ...here with me? 77 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,720 During this meeting? 78 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:29,880 I don't know... 79 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:32,920 ...maybe. 80 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,079 Mrs. Zanetti, the essential condition 81 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,359 for these meetings to help you construct an intimate 82 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:42,360 and personal truth... 83 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,080 ...is that you be completely sincere. 84 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,959 If you lie while knowing you are lying, all this work is useless, 85 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,599 for you, of course, but also for my research. 86 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,599 The results would be false, false and misleading, 87 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,040 and even worse... 88 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,920 ...you would end up more confused than before. 89 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,680 No one has ever believed me, ever since I was a child. 90 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,200 I'm sorry if I was inappropriate, but... 91 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,519 ...it was my duty to make that clear. 92 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,640 No... it's all right. 93 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,879 - Good morning. - Good morning. 94 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,960 Good morning. 95 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,519 I must have been about eight years old 96 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,960 and... I'd seen a pair of shoes in a shop downtown... 97 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,480 ...they were red, very beautiful. 98 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,079 When I read the price... I must have made a mistake, 99 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,639 I read 29 francs, 100 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,039 but then at the register, when I was with my mother, 101 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,880 we discovered the price was 129 francs. 102 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,959 So my mother, not to lose face, bought them anyway. 103 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,760 Then when we got home, she gave me... 104 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,480 ...a real earful. 105 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,879 Do you remember the words your mother used? 106 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,719 She was very angry, she called me spoiled, 107 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,559 a liar... she refused to believe me 108 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,480 when I told her I'd simply misread the price. 109 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,240 She accused me of tricking her, of lying to her. 110 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,480 But the next day at school, everyone was looking at my shoes. 111 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,600 I was so proud... 112 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,480 ...and I said they were a gift from my mother. 113 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,320 I said it with pride. 114 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,640 FATHER Here. 115 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,879 How did you know I was interested in this book? 116 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,480 Ottavio, the bookseller, recommended it to me. 117 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,320 Did you tell him it was for me? - No... 118 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,880 ...well, he figured it out. 119 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,640 I don't say anything and he doesn't ask. 120 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,600 Listen, Dad, I... 121 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,919 ...I've decided to start a series of meetings with a criminologist 122 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,079 who's giving three lectures here at the university. 123 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,080 "Meetings"? 124 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,360 What for? 125 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,280 It's not for an evaluation like during the trial, it's... 126 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,519 ...for a study 127 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,919 this criminologist has been conducting for years. 128 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,840 I think he wants to turn it into a book. 129 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,199 And he has to study you, does he? 130 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,440 No, he's met with other inmates too. 131 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,840 Don't worry. 132 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,080 What could happen? 133 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,560 Maybe this way I'll understand things a bit better too. 134 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,159 I remember that meeting these people made you suffer, 135 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,599 criminologists, psychologists, you felt awful, 136 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,239 so much so that, in the end, you'd shut down and stop talking. 137 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,480 That was a long time ago. 138 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,440 I'm better now. 139 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,599 She's much better. 140 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,200 - Come on, it's late. - Relax. 141 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,759 - Hey, Dad. - Oh, are you still like that? 142 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,759 I'll get dressed here, don't worry. 143 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,919 You all keep telling me, "Don't worry," which clearly means I am worried. 144 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,999 Everything will be fine. 145 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,680 Yes. Go see how far along your sister is, come on. 146 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,560 Yes, maybe a little farther this way. 147 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,120 - Here you go. - Done? - Yes, thanks. 148 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,200 - You're always late. - Hi, Franck. 149 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,840 Help me with my bow tie. 150 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,320 Are you excited? 151 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,839 - Not really. I don't believe you. 152 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,040 You're nervous and your neck is all sweaty. 153 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,440 Katia, are you still like that? 154 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,400 The dress is here. - Let me see. 155 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,400 It's the one from graduation, you liked it so much. 156 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,200 I liked it ten years ago. 157 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,359 Elisa? 158 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,320 I don't know, she's locked herself in, I tried knocking and she snapped at me. 159 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,240 You go and see, tell her to hurry up. 160 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,040 I'm going. 161 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,800 Elisa, may I? 162 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,240 Yes. 163 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,520 Are you still like that? Aren't you getting ready? 164 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,800 Yes, I'll get ready now. 165 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,440 Can I get dressed in here? 166 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,520 Yes. 167 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,320 What's wrong? 168 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:12,360 Nothing. 169 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,280 You look upset... 170 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,840 I said there's nothing wrong. 171 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,359 You're upset because Franck didn't ask you to be his witness, 172 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,360 aren't you? 173 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,960 You be his witness, Elisa. 174 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,840 - I don't care. Come on, let's go. - Stay out of it... 175 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,720 ...understand? 176 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,720 As you wish. 177 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,520 Thinking back about my family left me feeling confused. 178 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,800 And... and maybe a little angry too. 179 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,920 Angry in what sense? 180 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,119 I agreed to work in my father's company, 181 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,439 but... it was not at all what I wanted to do with my life. 182 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,759 Are you referring to your father's carpentry business? 183 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,519 The one you inherited with your brother? 184 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,120 Yes, exactly. That's where it all began. 185 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,840 It wasn't my idea... 186 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,520 ...it was my brother's project. 187 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,000 For him... it was his world, not for me. 188 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,400 I tried to make it mine only because I wanted to please him. 189 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,080 "Please him." 190 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,840 All my life I've tried to conform to... 191 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,560 ...what I imagined other people wanted from me. 192 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,079 If I know... what people expect from me 193 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,599 and I manage to fulfill it, 194 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,279 then I feel that others acknowledge me, 195 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,800 that I exist in their eyes. 196 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,520 It's only in that way that I no longer feel invisible. 197 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,199 Invisibility and anger, that's where you began today. 198 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,279 And... perhaps these feelings had already appeared 199 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,160 when you spoke about your mother. 200 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,559 Do you remember other moments when... 201 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,760 Yes, with my father. 202 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,280 He had placed great trust in me. 203 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,519 He was convinced that his wishes matched mine, 204 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,880 that... my destiny was in the family business... 205 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,760 ...I don't know. 206 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,359 In truth, he never forced me to do anything... 207 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,039 The day he enrolled me in the accounting course, 208 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440 I could have... stood up and left... 209 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,520 ...but I didn't. 210 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,160 You could say I... freely forced myself. 211 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,920 "Freely forced myself," that's a fine expression. 212 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,280 A nice oxymoron. 213 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,800 Yes, I freely forced myself to do what he wanted. 214 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,200 Join the company as soon as I finished my studies and... 215 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,039 ...and in the end that place became the cause of everything 216 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,040 that happened. 217 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,600 In what sense? Can you... explain that to me? 218 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,959 After I started working, 219 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,719 I found myself caught between a rock and a hard place, 220 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,279 my father on one side and my brother on the other, 221 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,280 arguing over how to run the company. 222 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,119 Until my father, exhausted, handed the business over to us. 223 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,560 At that point, my father insisted that I should be the one... 224 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,760 ...to hold 51% of the shares... 225 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,119 ...and that I be the sole administrator. 226 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,120 I accepted... 227 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,280 ...I must have been 20, more or less... 228 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,359 ...but I wanted to live up to it, 229 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,440 for my father to see that I could do it, that I was capable. 230 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,159 Then my brother started with his delusions of grandeur, 231 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,080 he ordered tons of timber... 232 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,879 ...he dreamed of building a new warehouse on the family 233 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,319 land. 234 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,040 Clearly, I couldn't say no to him either. 235 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,760 What was your relationship with your brother like? 236 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,160 Franck and I were very close. 237 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,120 Allies, you could say. 238 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,320 When I was little, he was the only one who played with me. 239 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,880 He was always picking me up... kissing me... 240 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,840 ...we laughed together. 241 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,920 What is your relationship now? 242 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,480 There isn't one. 243 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,120 When my father decided to... 244 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,960 ...come here to visit me as often as possible, my brother... 245 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,680 ...asked him to choose between him and me. 246 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,600 "If you choose her, forget you ever had a son." 247 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,840 My father kept coming to visit me 248 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,400 and my brother... never... spoke to him again. 249 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120 And my father never saw his grandchildren again. 250 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:33,240 You've spoken about your mother, your father, and your brother... 251 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,720 ...but never about your sister. 252 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,200 Because, to me, my sister no longer existed. 253 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,200 Not for a long time. 254 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,840 When I was little, I was closer to my brother than to her. 255 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,759 Then when I was 15, 256 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,479 she left to live her own life, on her own. 257 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,559 We had grown up with a certain idea of family, of being united, 258 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,840 and she rejected all of that. 259 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,640 And I resented her for it. 260 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,160 So I built a wall between us, me on my side and her on the other. 261 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,679 She got close to us again 262 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,400 when the company was about to go bankrupt... to help us. 263 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,120 And... 264 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,039 ...with your father, may I ask what you talk about 265 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,440 when he comes to visit you? 266 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,440 We never talk about... 267 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,840 ...about what happened, if-if that's what you mean. 268 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,600 Our relationship began after... after the incident. 269 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,719 Sometimes I think we should, but... he never talks about it, 270 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,840 so... I don't say anything. - Of course, I understand. 271 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,560 Um... 272 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,680 Forgive me for interrupting your story, but... 273 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,400 ...I think that... out of respect, both from me and from you, toward your sister... 274 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,640 ...we should start saying "murder." 275 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,560 Let's stop saying "the incident." 276 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,520 You committed a horrible, irreparable act... 277 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,000 ...and we must not forget that. Do you agree? 278 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,240 Good morning. 279 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,799 - Good morning. - Good morning. 280 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,040 Can I have a coffee? Black, strong? 281 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,960 Can I have that muffin too, please? 282 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,079 I ran into your father at the station, 283 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,719 but I don't think he recognized me 284 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,160 because I was in plain clothes. 285 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,560 My father has always been a bit absent-minded. 286 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,160 You could have gone up to him. 287 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,399 My father always enjoys talking to Italians. 288 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,240 I didn't feel like it because... 289 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,199 ...some articles have come out about you and... I didn't know 290 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,800 whether he had read them or not. 291 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,360 They say that now you can work outside, though... 292 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,960 ...the legal time limit has passed, you can apply. 293 00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,680 They can rest easy... 294 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,600 ...I have no intention of asking for day release. 295 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,160 Katia, we have to go. 296 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,999 You should go back to the doctor, 297 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,240 so he can give you something to stop you throwing up... every time you eat. 298 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,960 So he can tell me for the millionth time that it's stress? 299 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,720 As soon as I calm down, it'll pass. 300 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,920 Come on, get ready. 301 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,520 An appointment to show the house in the evening? 302 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,520 How can she? What can she see at night? 303 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,960 She works during the day, she can only see it in the evening. 304 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,280 Why aren't you going with them? 305 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,159 No, there's no need. 306 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,840 Dad, stay here. It's better if you stay with Mom, okay? 307 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,000 As you wish. 308 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,719 Besides, she seemed like such a nice person on the phone, 309 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,280 this lawyer... attorney? 310 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,000 - Damasio. Damasio, right. 311 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,919 Come on, let's hope that tonight this woman finally decides 312 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,080 to buy the house... 313 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,400 ...so we can finally put this whole story behind us. 314 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,280 There she is. That must be her. 315 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,959 Come on, let's go inside. 316 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,520 We'll turn on the lights and she'll see us when she arrives. 317 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,800 Elisa? 318 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,920 How did the meeting with the lawyer go last night? 319 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,120 Hey, are you listening? 320 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,200 - Dad, I'm sleeping. - I called you a thousand times. 321 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,760 Sorry, I didn't hear the calls. 322 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,240 Where's Katia? 323 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,680 Mm, I don't know where she is. 324 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,040 She must have... 325 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,720 ...she must have gone back home to sleep. 326 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,799 I don't know, the lawyer was late, 327 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640 she said she would stay there and wait for her. 328 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,599 She said she'd call you, didn't she? 329 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,000 And then she left? Why? Did you argue? 330 00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,720 You know what Katia's like... 331 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,640 She sent me a message... 332 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,919 ...she said she went back home to sleep 333 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,000 and that the lawyer never showed up. 334 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,999 Then let's call this woman, maybe something came up, 335 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,439 I don't know, we can set another appointment. 336 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,840 I don't have her number... 337 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,160 ...I always called her from Katia's phone. 338 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,040 Then call your sister. 339 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,400 All right, I'll call her. 340 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,760 It's disconnected. 341 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,760 She must be sleeping. 342 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,400 Lucky her, being able to sleep in. 343 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,040 When she wakes up, she'll call you. 344 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,400 Bye, Dad. 345 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,160 - How are you? - Fine, you? 346 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,800 Fine. 347 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,080 Eli, what is it? 348 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,000 What's wrong? 349 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,599 I heard the newspapers have started talking about me again. 350 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,600 Don't think about it, let them talk. 351 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,160 You're worried about me, I don't even pay attention to it. 352 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,560 Anyway, there is good news, right? You could ask to go out. 353 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,960 When the time comes, we'll see. 354 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,720 Look what I brought you. 355 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,120 I hope it makes you happy. 356 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,400 Have you seen Franck again? 357 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,880 Not a chance... you know your brother. 358 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,560 Clara gave them to me last week, when we met... 359 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,160 ...grandparents understand each other. - They've grown so much. 360 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,160 You know, with the criminologist... 361 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,520 ...we're talking a lot about the past. 362 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,280 About Mom... 363 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,680 ...about the family, about Franck... 364 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,360 ...about me and you. 365 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,720 It wasn't always easy between us, was it? 366 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,600 Bonjour. 367 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,759 At 20, you became the sole administrator of the family company? 368 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,800 Yes, that's right... 369 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,639 ...and when everything started going wrong, 370 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,879 no one asked me how I felt. 371 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,080 Everyone blamed me. 372 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,000 "How is this possible, how could you, what have you done?" 373 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,240 Even to my brother, I was the one responsible. 374 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,240 And the word "fail," "having failed"... 375 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,680 ...what feelings does that bring up in you? 376 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,359 I couldn't bear being seen as a failure in the eyes 377 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,000 of my brother and my father. 378 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,680 I felt the company's failure inside me... 379 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,320 ...it burned deep within my body. 380 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,439 And my brother kept repeating that it was me 381 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,240 who had driven the company into ruin, do you understand? 382 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:18,760 That it was me. 383 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,360 Do you know what hurts me the most? 384 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,000 It's that... 385 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,639 ...if I had said to my father: 386 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,800 "Dad, I need help... I can't manage"... 387 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,640 ...maybe the company, in the end, would have gone bankrupt anyway... 388 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,440 ...but everything else would have gone differently. 389 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,279 But I was obsessed with the idea of being seen as the cause 390 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,520 of all our troubles. 391 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,519 And that's when I had the idea of placing the blame 392 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,520 on my sister... 393 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,320 ...that's when I thought of the letter. 394 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:03,720 What letter? 395 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,039 A letter I wrote on the computer 396 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,599 with a completely made-up story, 397 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,039 pretending to be her 398 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,280 and saying that she was the one who had manipulated me. 399 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,200 So you wrote a false letter, pretending to be Katia? 400 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,120 Yes. - Is that right? 401 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,360 - And then you sent it to your father? Yes, I mailed it myself. 402 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:32,360 And so in this letter... Katia said she had manipulated you? 403 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,279 Yes, I wrote that she had manipulated me, 404 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,320 that she had... that she had made me open an account in her name... 405 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,120 ...and that because of that, the company had gone bankrupt. 406 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,560 That's how I trapped myself... 407 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,279 After mailing the letter, I said to myself: 408 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,200 "Shit. What do I do now? Something doesn't add up." 409 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,479 "What do I do about Katia?" 410 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,119 "How do I convince her to support the version in the letter" 411 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,240 "that I wrote and signed in her place?" 412 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,920 And when you wrote this letter... 413 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,400 ...was your sister still alive? 414 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,000 Yes, I wrote it... 415 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,360 ...when she was sedated and locked in the house that was for sale. 416 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,400 I swear I had no idea what I was supposed to do. 417 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,840 Um... Forgive me, but... 418 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,720 ...why did you choose your sister? Were you in conflict with her? 419 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,160 No... no, not at all. 420 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,120 No, she was living her own life, she had... 421 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,440 ...she had distanced herself from the family... 422 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,880 ...she had nothing to do with us. 423 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,919 During our last meeting, you stated 424 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,840 that... you resented her precisely because of that. 425 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:35,840 Listen... 426 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,480 ...I don't know how you'll take the proposal I'm about to make, but... 427 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,279 ...as I told you, generally speaking, 428 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,839 I always plan a cycle of three meetings per inmate. 429 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,440 But you've only just started to remember and... 430 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,400 ...I've thought about it a lot and I believe it would be... useful to go deeper... 431 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,160 ...and continue our meetings. 432 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:01,720 What do you think? 433 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,199 Here we are. 434 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,639 That explains why she isn't answering her phone. She's gone on the run. 435 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,359 No. Katia wouldn't do that... Mom. Don't you understand? 436 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,039 She wrote it plain as day, 437 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,199 Katia ran off with the money she took from the accounts 438 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,520 - of our company. - Elisa... 439 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,759 ...is what it says here true? One day Katia came to the office, 440 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,319 and seeing how worried I was about the company's situation, 441 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,279 she offered to help me. 442 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,480 I felt the weight of the responsibility... 443 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,840 ...she told me not to worry, that... 444 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,400 ...that she would stand by me, but... 445 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,080 - ...it's clear she manipulated me. - In what way? 446 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,039 She convinced me to open a joint account, 447 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,079 connected to the company, 448 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,280 from which she made payments that only she could make. 449 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,640 Why didn't-didn't you tell me? 450 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,280 Because I trusted her... she's my sister. 451 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,320 After all, you've always trusted her too, haven't you? 452 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,559 Just as we trusted you by handing you the company. 453 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,760 And look at the results. 454 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,599 We have to go to the police right away... 455 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,600 Enough. 456 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,880 First you blamed Elisa, now Katia... 457 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,040 ...think about what you did with your delusions of grandeur instead. 458 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,839 I'm not bringing the police into something 459 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,360 that concerns our family, is that clear? 460 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,000 There must be an explanation. 461 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,800 Let's wait for Katia to come back. 462 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,520 She'll decide how things went. 463 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:47,720 Hey. 464 00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,680 How do you feel? 465 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,120 Where are we? 466 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,640 You're at home, stay calm. 467 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,000 Here. Drink this. 468 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,520 Drink it all, come on. 469 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:22,199 I see myself again behind the wheel of my car, 470 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,399 driving back and forth like a madwoman, 471 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,839 between my parents' new apartment 472 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,040 and the old house... 473 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,600 ...where I was keeping my sister locked up and sedated with Lorazepam. 474 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,840 I had to keep everything under control, 475 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,440 ...I had to come up with an excuse every day to disappear... 476 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,000 ...while my parents were looking for my sister... 477 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,360 ...and then pretend to look for her with them too. 478 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:31,720 Zanetti? 479 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,200 Everything okay? 480 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,640 Zanetti, what's going on? 481 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,000 Yes, sorry. I'll be right there. 482 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,560 You had me worried. 483 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,880 Lucky I was the one on duty. 484 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,359 Besides, Karbusi was... a tomb, 485 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,919 she didn't bat an eyelid, she worked for two. 486 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,760 Karbusi cares a lot about me... we help each other, basically. 487 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:22,319 Zanetti, I-I can't reconcile the image I have of you 488 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,559 with... with what I read in the papers. 489 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,399 I can't believe you could have... 490 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,400 Yes. 491 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,160 I was capable of it. 492 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,920 Mrs. Zanetti? 493 00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,000 Hello? 494 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,760 Is anyone there? 495 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,400 Is anybody here? 496 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,319 Ma'am, it's me... It's Elisa. 497 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,320 Ah, Elisa. 498 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,999 Um, I was worried, I saw the smoke 499 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,800 and I was about to call the fire brigade. 500 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,919 With all the weeds that had grown... 501 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,120 since you put the house up for sale and moved away... 502 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,359 That's why I came, to pull up the weeds and burn them. 503 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:28,360 Good for you. 504 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,160 E-everything's fine, I'll finish up and go. 505 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,600 I got scared. 506 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,319 No, everything's fine, thanks for your concern. 507 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,320 Well, that's what neighbors do... 508 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:41,640 God, ex-neighbors... 509 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,000 ...anyway, I'm sorry you're selling the house. 510 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,679 "Since we began the meetings," 511 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,039 "I've been trying to piece together my memories," 512 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,279 "after my conviction," 513 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,119 "thinking back over all the events described by the judge," 514 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,759 "the only explanation I could give myself" 515 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,880 "was that I had killed my sister in a fit of rage." 516 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,480 "Whereas now, my memory has changed..." 517 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,320 "...it's as if I'm reliving those moments." 518 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,720 "I feel emotions I had repressed." 519 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,399 "I was only afraid, it wasn't anger," 520 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,640 "it was a fear that took my breath away." 521 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,919 "Fear of being found out," 522 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,759 "fear of what my mother would think," 523 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:58,640 "my father, Frank, if Katia had told them the truth..." 524 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,480 "...that she hadn't been the one who wrote the letter, I had." 525 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,680 "With everything that would have followed." 526 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,240 This is the first time you've spoken about fear. 527 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,480 Because it's the first time I've seen things this way. 528 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,200 And it's harder to admit that it was fear... 529 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,880 ...rather than a fit of rage. 530 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,800 It took courage to reopen the drawers of your memory with me. 531 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,520 No courage, Professor... 532 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,120 ...no courage at all. 533 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,920 Maybe I only did it... only out of necessity. 534 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,400 I've never had courage in my life... 535 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,800 ...only fear... 536 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,680 ...especially of myself. 537 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,280 - Are you afraid of yourself? Yes, of myself. 538 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,759 Because I had the strength to take someone's life 539 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,480 because I wanted one of my own. 540 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,559 And the most terrible thing was that when I came home, 541 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,360 after killing and burning my sister... 542 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,000 ...I put my head on the pillow and I felt at peace. 543 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,680 A peace I had never felt before... 544 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,120 ...and that... that I have never felt again in my life. 545 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,000 You are starting to change. 546 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,680 However, if we accept... 547 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,920 ...that the trigger that set you off was... 548 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,480 ...fear, this... 549 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,760 ...this suggests a kind of plan. 550 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,799 A "plan"? 551 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,799 Yes, as if in your mind you thought 552 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,199 that by killing and burning your sister, 553 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,559 all the trouble, all the problems you had created would disappear 554 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,800 or... would dissolve. 555 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,360 And from a certain point on, you act on fear... 556 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,439 ...on the endless wave of your feeling 557 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,280 of being... exposed... 558 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,039 ...that others would discover, according to your perception, of course, 559 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,080 that you are a failure. That word is the key to everything. 560 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,279 The failure of the carpentry business becomes your personal failure. 561 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,640 You said so yourself in an earlier meeting. 562 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,759 Excuse me, but I'd like to stop here for today, if you'll allow me. 563 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,000 We've reached... a crucial moment, a turning point. 564 01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,280 I want to leave. 565 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,000 As you wish. 566 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,400 I've thought a lot about you these past few days. 567 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,800 I've read your books... 568 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,880 ...you write about other criminals like me. 569 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,279 And I asked myself: 570 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,920 "What drives him to meet people like me?" 571 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,400 Your question challenges me... deeply. 572 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,879 But... right now I think it is more important to talk about what 573 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,039 is emerging from your words. 574 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,880 You keep talking about me and not about yourself. 575 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,480 I asked you what drives you. 576 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,960 Mrs. Zanetti, you are about to take back your story. 577 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:07,279 I am convinced that anyone who commits an irreparable act like yours 578 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,920 must not remain nailed to the crime they were convicted of. 579 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,200 You still haven't answered me. 580 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,560 Goodbye, Professor. 581 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,839 They question you, they follow me everywhere. 582 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,919 There must be a reason... the police aren't stupid, 583 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,279 - and neither are we. - Will you stop it? 584 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,960 No, I won't stop it, I won't stop it, I won't stop it! 585 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,720 Drop me at the bank... the appointment with the manager. 586 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:54,600 Close it. 587 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:01,239 And then... you were the one... the last one to not see Katia, right? 588 01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,479 When you went for that lawyer 589 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:04,999 to show her the house. 590 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,479 From that moment on, we never saw Katia again, 591 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,079 so tell me what happened. - I've told you a thousand times... 592 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,879 Your father must have called you dozens of times that evening, 593 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,959 why didn't you answer? - Because I didn't hear it. 594 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,079 Why didn't you answer? 595 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,399 I didn't hear the calls, I told you! 596 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,759 You don't understand what this means! - Lower your voice. 597 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,400 - I will not lower my voice! Shut up. - You shut up! 598 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,279 So, you have to tell the truth. 599 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,639 You don't want to tell them? Fine. Tell us! 600 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,159 Tell your father! Huh? He always defends you. 601 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,840 But I know you, you know, I know you! 602 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,359 I can't take it anymore, look, I can't take it anymore. 603 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,080 Zanetti... everything okay? 604 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:35,840 Zanetti? 605 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,520 Everything all right? - Yes, everything's fine. 606 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,639 - Hi. - Hi, Dad. 607 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,440 - You're early. So are you. 608 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,240 Listen, I don't have... time today. 609 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,359 What's happened? 610 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,480 There's a girl at the bar who... got sick, she didn't show up. 611 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,760 Sorry, I'm really sorry, if I'd known earlier I would've told you. 612 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,719 It's all right. If you have to go, go. 613 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,439 Yes. - We'll see each other next time. 614 01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:29,440 Okay. 615 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,239 I brought you some muffins... the girls make them, 616 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,239 the ones from the bakery, they're delicious. 617 01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:36,279 Thank you. 618 01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,520 Maybe you can eat them during the trip... 619 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,799 I'm sorry. Don't worry. 620 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,919 - No, I'm sorry. These things happen. 621 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,160 Yes, but... 622 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,040 The important thing is that you're well. - Yes... come on. 623 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,880 - Bye. Bye, Dad. 624 01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:56,680 Bye. 625 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:38,800 Zanetti? 626 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,000 What are you doing here? 627 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,920 Is your visit over? 628 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,120 Yes, I'd like to go back in. 629 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,279 - How come? - I-I don't feel very well. 630 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:51,799 I'll have you taken to the infirmary. 631 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,200 No, there's no need, I'd rather go back in. 632 01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,159 - All right, I'll call the female officer. No, really, there's no need. 633 01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,280 Go on, she'll be here now. 634 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,160 Mr. Zanetti, good morning. 635 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,200 Good morning. 636 01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:19,880 Your daughter won't be coming today. 637 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:21,999 Again? 638 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,000 She told me to tell you she'd like to be alone for a while. 639 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,440 - But is she all right? Yes, yes, everything's fine. 640 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:35,160 Listen... 641 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,200 ...can you give this to Elisa? Some books and a notebook. 642 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,279 Of course. She'll be pleased. Goodbye. 643 01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,280 Goodbye. 644 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,799 Mrs. Elisa Zanetti came to the gendarmerie 645 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,999 to report her sister, Katia Zanetti, 646 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,679 who had disappeared a month earlier, for theft. 647 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,719 This delay in reporting it made us suspicious, 648 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,759 so we searched the Zanetti family homes. 649 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,400 Both the one where they lived and the one they had put up for sale. 650 01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,519 At the back of the house that was for sale, 651 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,720 we found the charred body of Katia Zanetti. 652 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,079 And when you found the body, did you suspect 653 01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:48,080 Elisa Zanetti? 654 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:53,199 Yes, thanks to the hidden microphones placed in the Zanetti home, 655 01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:59,199 we heard an argument between the mother and her daughter. 656 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,239 Hearing the sounds of a struggle, 657 01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:02,999 we intervened immediately. 658 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,759 Once inside, we saw Elisa Zanetti 659 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:11,039 trying to set fire to her unconscious mother's body. 660 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,719 Just as she had done with her sister's body. 661 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,599 Her mother got away with a minor burn, 662 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,839 we arrested the defendant 663 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:22,039 and from that moment on, she completely stopped answering 664 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,120 our questions. 665 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,120 Anais! 666 01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:14,760 Anais! 667 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:19,800 Anais! 668 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:27,960 Anais! 669 01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,120 - Good evening. - Good evening. 670 01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:02,440 Please sit down... thank you for coming. 671 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,159 - Would you like anything? No, thank you. 672 01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:09,320 - Are you sure? Mm-hm. 673 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:11,200 You wanted to see me? 674 01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:13,519 Yes. 675 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,680 I wanted to explain why I attended your lectures. 676 01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,800 I read one of your books... 677 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,280 ...about young offenders. 678 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,760 I wanted to understand, I hoped I would understand. 679 01:23:32,440 --> 01:23:34,239 What I would like to know, 680 01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,720 what I looked for in your books... 681 01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,920 ...I don't believe you can... give me in any way... 682 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,000 ...but I wanted to be sure. 683 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,639 Last winter, my son... was on his way home, 684 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,280 after saying goodbye to his friends at a party. 685 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,479 He came across a group of thugs 686 01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:07,680 who were harassing an elderly woman sleeping on the street. 687 01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:16,240 He went over... to tell them, well, to leave her alone. 688 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:20,720 He must have spoken to them politely... 689 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:22,840 ...smiling... 690 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,040 ...and that smile, they... 691 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,560 ...couldn't stand it. 692 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,120 They unleashed all their violence on him. 693 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,440 They stabbed him several times... 694 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,480 ...and left him there... to die. 695 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,879 It was the elderly woman herself who called for help, 696 01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,200 and in the end they were all arrested. 697 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:55,599 They were a gang of kids, 698 01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,840 like the ones my son worked with as a volunteer. 699 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,000 I even went to their neighborhood... 700 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:05,720 ...I don't know why. 701 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:07,720 Who knows... 702 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,480 ...what I was looking for... 703 01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,560 ...maybe to know a little more about the people who had taken from me... 704 01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:16,320 ...the person... 705 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,000 ...dearest to my heart. 706 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,120 It did me no good to look at evil... 707 01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,920 ...as you say... no good at all. 708 01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:38,160 - Did you try to talk to them? - No. 709 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,520 During the trial, some of them wrote to me. 710 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,160 I never read those letters... 711 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,240 ...but I didn't destroy them either... 712 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,840 ...I was afraid that in the letters they might ask me for forgiveness. 713 01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:01,040 The pain and resentment I feel toward them... 714 01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,120 ...I need them. 715 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,520 They sustain me, they support me. 716 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:11,880 Do you understand? 717 01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:18,200 I wanted to understand. I hoped I would understand. 718 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,560 All I felt was guilty about my resentment. 719 01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,440 You... made me feel guilty. 720 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,800 You have every right to feel hatred and resentment... 721 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,520 ...it is legitimate, I understand, but... 722 01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,679 ...allowing yourself the possibility to understand 723 01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,040 how... a guilty person came to commit evil... 724 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,799 ...can be a way for victims not to remain trapped in the hatred 725 01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,959 they feel. Without, by doing so, discrediting their pain. 726 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:55,720 Only the words of the guilty... 727 01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:58,880 ...only the words of the guilty. 728 01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,559 Because my son, the victim, no longer speaks. 729 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,039 I understand, madam, your son was... 730 01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,320 No, that's enough, excuse me. 731 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:15,920 You are courageous. 732 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,320 We shall now read the sentence. 733 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,399 The defendant is charged with the crimes of kidnapping 734 01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,559 and murder of her sister Katia Zanetti, 735 01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,919 as well as attempted murder of her mother, 736 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,200 by trying to strangle her and set her on fire. 737 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,599 To clarify Mrs. Zanetti's criminal plan, 738 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,999 I add that she pretended to be Attorney Damasio 739 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,679 to distract the family from the sale of the house. 740 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,679 This court therefore, taking into account the mitigating circumstances, 741 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,519 as presented in the Defense expert report, 742 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,639 of proven partial incapacity to understand and intend, 743 01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,399 certified by a malformation of the right frontal lobe of the skull, 744 01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,120 compatible with amnesia... 745 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,199 ...sentences Elisa Zanetti to 20 years' imprisonment. 746 01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:37,319 The session is adjourned 747 01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,399 and the records will be filed for the parties' access. 748 01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,320 Good morning. 749 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:14,920 Thank you. 750 01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,360 Thank you for agreeing to see me again... 751 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,199 ...and I'm sorry I behaved so badly. 752 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,399 No, it's nothing... don't worry. 753 01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:26,400 Let's go. 754 01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:45,320 Please, have a seat. 755 01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,680 What I had inside was impossible to say. 756 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,160 Sometimes there are no words left. 757 01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:15,720 Only facts remain. 758 01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,640 "My idea wasn't to hurt her, only to buy time." 759 01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,480 "My sister had to disappear temporarily." 760 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,920 "The hours passed, the days..." 761 01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,800 And now... and now?" 762 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,840 "Then I thought I had to convince her..." 763 01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:01,360 "...reveal my plan, what I had thought up." 764 01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:07,119 "And for once, for just once in my life," 765 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:11,000 "I tried to create an alliance, to ask for help." 766 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,560 "The problem is that, when I reduced the dose of Lorazepam..." 767 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,760 "...to talk to her, she began to understand." 768 01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:22,840 "She was furious..." 769 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,080 "...she railed against me." 770 01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:28,440 "Then she calmed down..." 771 01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,759 "...and, as affectionate as only she could be, she said to me:" 772 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,520 "Elisa, you're not well, you need help..." 773 01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,880 "...let's go to Dad together and tell him the truth." 774 01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,279 "If she hadn't said that sentence," 775 01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,680 "maybe she would still be alive... maybe." 776 01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,360 "I can't know." 777 01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,920 "The fact is that the truth she wanted to tell Dad was..." 778 01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:56,640 "...that I was unwell..." 779 01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,400 "...and that was not possible." 780 01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,000 "In that moment, I broke." 781 01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:08,040 "Katia had made the mistake of looking at me..." 782 01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,480 "...and she saw me for what I am." 783 01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,200 "In that moment, I completely lost control..." 784 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,240 "...and everything happened automatically." 785 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,880 "I didn't realize what I was doing, that's the truth." 786 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:28,920 "I just wanted her to be quiet." 787 01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:32,160 "Nothing else mattered to me." 788 01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,040 "I wanted her to stop talking." 789 01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,720 "I put my hands around her neck." 790 01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,360 Do you want me to read it? 791 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,320 I'll read it aloud because I think... 792 01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,840 ...it's important that you hear what you wrote. 793 01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:24,880 Do you agree? 794 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,839 "I put my hands around her neck," 795 01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,159 "she managed to break free" 796 01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,920 "and ran out to the back of the house." 797 01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,799 "I caught up with her, put my hands around her neck again" 798 01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,040 "and squeezed harder." 799 01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:48,400 "So hard that when I let her go, she had lost consciousness." 800 01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:52,040 "When she fell to the ground... she hit her head..." 801 01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,560 "...and I panicked..." 802 01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:59,360 "...I tried to help her, but... she wouldn't respond." 803 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,200 "I understood right away that I had killed her." 804 01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,079 "Maybe in that moment, a part of me said:" 805 01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,439 "All right, let's try to salvage what can still be salvaged." 806 01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:14,079 "By now Katia is gone, the letter is in my father's hands," 807 01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:19,040 "maybe I can still turn the situation to my advantage." 808 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,639 "There was a can of gasoline for the lawnmower," 809 01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,319 "I poured it over her," 810 01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:30,080 "then... I lit a cigarette and threw it onto her." 811 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:36,399 "She caught fire, and I can't say whether it lasted thirty seconds," 812 01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:40,680 "a minute, a minute and a half... I don't know." 813 01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,839 "All I know is that during one brief instant," 814 01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,039 "as if I had woken up, I said to myself:" 815 01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:49,679 "What are you doing?" 816 01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:53,239 "So I took the water hose to put out the fire," 817 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,079 "but it was too late." 818 01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,039 "I covered her with a tarp," 819 01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,599 "one of the ones we used to cover the wood," 820 01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:02,080 "and I left." 821 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,799 "I went back to my parents' house and there," 822 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:10,359 "there was a silence inside me that I have never felt again," 823 01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:14,240 "as if nothing had happened, not even the bankruptcy." 824 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:18,280 "Suddenly... everything was intact." 825 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,120 You watched her burn. 826 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:32,560 Yes. 827 01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:35,480 Was she screaming? 828 01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:39,560 No. 829 01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:45,320 She must have been unconscious... right? 830 01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:50,920 I pray every day that she wasn't... 831 01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,280 ...that she wasn't still alive. 832 01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,480 That she didn't feel anything. 833 01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,720 Your testimony is precious... 834 01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,040 ...but I think we should build a new story. 835 01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,800 Starting from the fact that now you... remember 836 01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:22,360 ...and... 837 01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:27,040 ...perhaps it is possible that... you always remembered. 838 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:29,960 There is no amnesia. 839 01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:33,520 I wanted to kill her... 840 01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:36,760 ...I wanted to do it. 841 01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,040 When you say I'm changing... 842 01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:48,640 ...I would really like to be able to believe you. 843 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,040 Because I don't like what I was... 844 01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:57,560 ...deep down... 845 01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,080 ...I don't even like who I am today. 846 01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:09,480 Listen. 847 01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:15,040 Even if there are some inconsistencies, you have begun to tell your story. 848 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,439 The more we try together to understand what happened, 849 01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:22,000 the more you will be able to look ahead... 850 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,680 ...without running away from your responsibilities... 851 01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:30,000 ...without being constantly overwhelmed by the guilt... 852 01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,360 ...which it is right that you feel. 853 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,239 And so, in the end... 854 01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,200 ...you will be able to honor your sister's memory. 855 01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:00,400 Subtitles by BlueAM